by the Intuitive Times with Dr. Richard Gerber,M.D, author of
'Vibrational Medicine - new Choices for Healing Ourselves'
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following excerpts are from an interview that the Intuitive Times
had the privilege to conduct with Dr. Richard Gerber, M.D. author
of the ground breaking book "Vibrational Medicine".
Originally published in 1988, it underwent a revision and was
reprinted in 1996. His book, "Vibrational Medicine"
was a revolutionary bridge between the metaphysical and medical
communities. Through his writings, actions, thoughts and intent,
Dr. Richard Gerber is a leader in our time of breaking ground
to integrate mainstream medicine and vibrational medicine.
M. Gerber M.D. is a physician/internist with the Charwood Medical
Group. He is also an International lecturer in Alternative Healing
Approaches. Gerber has a Bachelor of Science in Zoology from the
University of Michigan and a Medical Degree from Wayne State University
School of Medicine. He has also studied Acupuncture through the
Medical Acupuncture for Physicians program. He is a member of
several organizations including Michigan State Medical Society,
Macomb County Medical Society, International Society for the Study
of Subtle Energies and Energy Medicine (ISSSEEM), and the International
Advisory Board-Dove Health Alliance/Dove Healing Trust, U.K.
Gerber has written several books including "Vibrational Medicine:
New Choices for Healing Ourselves" and "Vibrational
Medicine for the 21st Century: The Complete Guide to Energy Healing
and Spiritual Transformation". He also authored the Chapter
"The Anatomy of Subtle Energy and Healing" in the 'Textbook
of Complementary and Alternative Medicine.'
we are beings of energy, then it follows that we can be affected
The first and most obvious question is What is Vibrational Medicine?
At a very simplistic level, Vibrational Medicine is the use of
different forms and frequencies of energy in healing. On the one
level, it's the use of electro-magnetic fields in different forms
and frequencies in a way that is kind of like the ‘Star
Trek' way of medicine. You have Dr. Crusher holding her instruments
and scanning the patient and getting life sign readings. When
someone comes in with an injury on the arm, you aim this little
hand held beam and you see the wound close up as the beam energizes
it. I think we're at the infancy of seeing the development those
kinds of technologies for the accelerated diagnostic and wound
healing types of tools which use electro-magnetic frequencies
the area that I think is of even greater interest is the flip
side of those forms of frequencies of energy which is the use
of life force energy. I liken that to the concept presented in
‘Star Wars' of the ‘Force.' The ‘Force' being
a kind of binding energy that connects us one to another and that
is in fact responsive to our consciousness. It is very similar
to the Chinese concept of ‘chi' or life energy that is this
cosmic universal energy that flows through us. Chi Gong Masters
have learned how to move this life force energy or ‘chi'
through their bodies and the meridians to accomplish healing even
at a distance.
other side of "Vibrational Medicine"is learning to deal
with the different frequencies and flavours of life force energy.
This involves the wider spectrum of healing modalities like homeopathic
remedies, flower essences, therapies such as Therapeutic Touch
and spiritual healing. These are all different aspects of what
I consider to be more life force energy than electro-magnetic
energy. I think Vibrational Medicine is the first spiritual science
to evolve that unites science and spirituality in a model that
really looks at human beings as not just a physical mechanism
of flesh and blood, but more like this body, mind spirit complex.
Healing involves the correction of disturbances at all these different
levels. Vibrational Medicines allow us to not only heal the physical
body directly, but to work at the mental and the emotional and
the spiritual levels as well. The electro-magnetic therapies are
not necessarily capable of healing all these levels although they
are certainly in the family of energy healing modalities.
Your approach to medicine is to view the world in a broader vista
that Newtonian Medicine allows you to. You have seen a broader
view through Einsteinian Medicine. Do you envision newly discovered
views such as quantum physics impacting allopathic (modern) medicine
in the near future?
The insights of Einsteinian physics and quantum physics are helpful
from the perspective of redefining what it means to be a human
being. We are not just a physical, bio-mechanism. Unfortunately
our current medical system is still based on the Newtonian nuts
and bolts physics model of the human being as a mechanism, even
though the gears, the pulleys and the little parts have gotten
smaller and smaller as our microscopic technologies have gotten
more and more sophisticated.
we talk about fixing the machine at the molecular level by supplying
the missing, dysfunctional or broken parts with a surgical procedure
like taking our a kidney that is failing and replacing it with
a kidney transplant. We talk about people now supplying the missing
molecule. People who are diabetic can inject themselves with recombinant
DNA produced human insulin that replaces this missing component
through an injection. But it is still a very mechanistic model.
the Einsteinian viewpoint says is that even these molecules that
we're injecting ourselves with at the quantum level are really
just different forms and patterns of energy. The Newtonian/Einsteinian
schism is really about what actually is the nature of human beings.
If we can rethink who we are by understanding that were are not
just as these flesh and blood machines, but in fact we are energy
and even spirit manifested through this physical form. Once you
embrace this you have a better understanding of how one can have
an impact on health and illness from not just the physical level
but the higher levels as well. The higher levels although you
can define them on a mathematical level in terms of quantum physics
and the existence of other levels, it is really more about understanding
how the different energy components are part of information systems
of the body and helps to provide the structure of our bodies.
For instance, it is the etheric body and not just the memory within
our genetic code which is the template that helps guide the development
of each of us in the womb.
future holds the promise of the marriage between what we've already
learned with what we are beginning to learn about our real energetic
roots. How that is going to translate into actual medical therapy
is difficult to say. I think we're in a transitional period in
human history right now where what will probably be the most advantageous
approach is what Dr. Andrew Weill calls "Integrative Medicine"
which is really Doctors trying to combine the best of both worlds
of what Newtonian science and approaches have been able to give
us in terms of miraculous healings with pharmaceuticals and surgical
is no question that modern medicine has advanced our general health
a great deal, but with regards to things like chronic illness
we're still not curing many more cases of lung cancer or colon
cancer than we did 20 years ago. We're getting a little bit better
with our adjunctive chemo-therapy and radiation, but we're still
locked into this old model where if we could shift to a more energetic
model we could look at how to destroy cancer cells and perhaps
the micro-biologic or viral cause of some cancers using energy
in different forms and frequencies.
brings us to a path that has been buried by ignorance and greed
and various other reasons. We had the cure for cancer 30 years
ago and it was lost. It was an energetic therapy that could energetically
destroy cancer cells without affecting the human being and with
no side effects. It's been lost. You've heard of the Rife technology?
Yes, that was actually one of our questions - so that is lost
now is it?
Well, I'm in the process of trying to connect with some people
who are exploring rediscovering that technology in different forms.
A number of different things have to come together in order for
that to happen, not the least of which is funding. I may finally
have found some people who might be in a position to fund some
of this alternative research. Unfortunately it has had to remain
underground for so many years because it was so caught up in the
court system that if you actually had one of the Rife Devices
you ran the risk of losing your medical license in spite of the
fact that this thing had rated a 90% cure rate.
Can you elaborate a bit on how the Rife technology works?
I'm beginning to understand more of that right now, but the basic
principal is essentially resonance. Rife came along with a rather
unusual microscope that defies the laws of optics. It involves
quartz optics and ultra-violet light in order to illuminate different
things under the microscope. Conventional microscopy of the day
which to this day, even electro-microscopy, involves looking at
tissue that is dead. Rife's system could actually illuminate viruses
and cells while they were still alive and he would be able to
illuminate them is such a way that they actually fluoresced under
their own ultra-violet emissions of different frequencies of light
of different colours.
first part of Rife's work was that he was able to isolate from
every cancer tissue specimen sent to him by surgeons a particular
organism that he called the 'X' organism. At the time people thought
he was crazy to think that viruses could cause cancer. Rife was
vilified during his time because it was not a very popular theory.
Somebody won the Nobel Prize 10 to 20 years later for their theory
of the model of viral induction of breast cancer in mice.
second thing that he was able to do while looking at whatever
live organism was under the microscope was to tune into different
frequencies from a generator that he had to find out what the
resonate note was of each organism. Like the Memorex commercial
where Ella Fitzgerald sings a note that shatters the wine glass,
he found the resonate frequency of the organism and developed
a method of delivering an energy beam of this frequency to patients
for maybe a five minute exposure. This was enough to actually
destroyed the cancer causing virus. People were evaluated at a
clinic in California. There was a 98% cure rate of 20 people who
were considered terminal. Essentially what he was doing was a
pure energy medicine therapy for resonantly destroying just the
cancer causing organism. Even with some of the gene theories,
onco-genes, that may cause cancer, whose to say that some of these
genes aren't in fact pieces of viral-genetic material that have
been incorporated into human cell lines. He used this technology
called the Rife Beam Ray, to heal people with not only cancer,
but people with chronic bone infection, bacterial infection and
other such things like that.
there were some rather greedy people in the medical establishment
who wanted to buy into the Rife's technology so they could control
how much it would cost and charge the patient. When they were
not allowed to buy into it because Rife wanted to preserve the
technology to ensure that it would be accessible to everyone,
they went behind the scenes with some very high people in politics
to drag his name through the dirt and the court system. Unfortunately
they lost the battle and the equipment was confiscated. If you
were caught with one of these devices, you would loose your license
This is in spite of the fact that many people came to Rife's trials
who were on death's door when he first met them and were cured
with this technology.
of the fact that it worked, it was an unpopular theory. That is
representative of the problem that vibrational or energy medicine
has had through the years. People tend to dismiss the cure if
there is no theoretical model that can support why it works. What's
happening now in modern medicine is that we are shifting to what
is called evidence based research where people are looking at
treatment outcomes and not getting lost in the mechanism. If you
do 20 cases with the conventional approach and 20 cases with the
vibrational medicine and twice as many got better in the vibrational
approach then you've got to accept that maybe there really is
something going on here and that we may have to change some of
our theories and models to understand why we are getting better
is really what I am advocating is a search to validate not only
the efficacy of vibrational medicine therapies, but to understand
not only how they work, but what things work better in conjunction
with each other. How we can combine vibrational modalities with
conventional approaches. For instance doing Therapeutic Touch
after surgery to assist healing and recovery and preventing post-operative
infections. That is what I think the future in the short-term
is going to be. This Integrative approach where we try to see
how we can combine the best of what we are already doing with
some of these other things which are new and some of which are
ancient healing technologies which we are only now beginning to
You mentioned that some cancers are caused by viruses. Can you
elaborate on that?
There are specific viruses that it is accepted now that are the
cause of certain cancers. For example, the Epstein Barr virus
is considered to be the cause of Birken's lymphoma, certain cancers
involving the nodes and sinuses, and cervical cancer has been
related to another virus. The viral model is now gaining more
weight, 70 odd years after Rife was talking about viruses as cancer
causing agents. The problem is that we don't have a lot of good
drugs to get rid of viruses from the body. To be able to have
something that would energetically just destroy the virus without
affecting the host would really be quite elegant.
You talk about the Benveniste study on homeopathic medicine published
in Nature which was a watershed event. The debunkers of Vibrational
Medicine came forth with a vengeance. What do you attribute this
type of reaction to? And how do you cope with this?
There are a couple of things which come to mind. One is the idea
that there is a threat to mainstream science. Somehow the people
in the scientific community feel they are faced with the possibility
of either accepting that everything I've learned is wrong which
would be catastrophic. It is much easier to say this is all an
anomaly or a hoax, rather than having to rethink your model of
the universe. The true scientist wants proof of the truth. They
do not worry about their investment in the theory of the day.
They try to find what theories in science explains the evidence
and do not dismiss the results because they don't fit in this
little box that we have created for analyzing phenomena. There
are so many anomalic observations that have to be dismissed by
the hard nosed mainstreamed scientist, because it just doesn't
fit. It's much easier to just dismiss these things than to invest
the kind of energy it takes to really look and re-examine the
often happens in the history of science is that when any new remarkable
discovery comes out, the vast majority of main stream scientists
reject it. If you look at Pasteur looking at these invisible microscopic
agents that might cause disease or Lister saying you had to wash
your hands before surgery because it might cause disease was considered
a lot of bunk. Now of course, we know that both Pasteur and Lister
were right and everyone else was wrong. But that is the nature
of science . Most people who have radical new ideas, that are
in fact correct, are thought to be crazy by the rest of the mainstream
because they are just a little too far ahead. There is this tendency
in mainstream science to want to protect everything that they
have come to know and love and hold dear, rather than to try and
change it. People resist change.
do I cope with it? Well it's funny, my best friend has my first
book on vibrational medicine. He hasn't gotten beyond the first
three pages - the introduction. He's my best devil's advocate.
He doesn't believe in most of this stuff. I've had many years
of training with him to try and convince him of its validity.
After a while, I just shifted my approach to not getting bent
out of shape at all or just ignoring the criticism because the
criticism is not going to change. I try to find the language to
communicate in a very non-threatening way that instils the idea
that maybe there is a little something to look at here and that
maybe we need to bend our scientific principles a bit.
I try to avoid all the controversy. I am merely interested in
providing people with what I consider to be good information on
what I believe is an evolving model of medicine that may hold
the answer to finding the cures for a lot of chronic diseases
that we're just not curing. I'm just trying to find a better way
to help people.
found that how you share your truth has a great deal to do with
whether or not you get acceptance. In 1988 when my book first
came out I was asked to make a presentation to my colleagues at
the Hospital I work in. I was a bit concerned about the type of
response I might get. I presented a talk, which I labeled "Newtonian
versus Einsteinian Medicine." I used very scientific terminology
and we talked about things like the wave particle reality and
the energetic nature of matter. I talked about the acupuncture
meridian system and studies of the meridian system,. I presented
some data on the acceleration of wound healing with the use of
Therapeutic Touch. People stayed around beyond the original time
allotted because they were so fascinated and for weeks later people
came up to me and said that they had been interested in this for
some time but had not heard it presented in such a fashion before.
I think if you begin by approaching people from where they are
coming from using the language that they are most comfortable
with in a very non-threatening way, you can lead them to gradually
to be a bridge between the lay community and the medical community,
between the metaphysical and the scientific groups. The underlying
issue with vibrational medicine is the spiritual causality. What
that implies in terms of the spiritual evolution of the person
is one of the questions. People ask how did the disease get started?
Well there's plenty of research in pathology and causation of
viruses but when you really ask the question as to why this happened,
then it is a spiritual question. Not everybody is quite ready
to handle that information. I'm like a pioneer scout officer trying
to get the information in a form that we can help communicate
better, help health care practitioners as well as help people
take charge of their healing and spiritual development.
One of the things that we work on when were talking about healing
from a spiritual perspective is that we teach people when their
doing spiritual healing or really any kind of energetic healing
to use a prayer of intent. For example, "let this healing
take away the pain and the source of the pain as it is for the
person's own best good." This takes the power out of the
healers hands and puts it in Spirit's hands.
What you are really asking for is that the best possible spiritual
out-come without trying to be directive in how you think it should
turn out. That's a very safe way of approaching it because you
can't always heal. For example, a person who has a pending court
case with whip lash does not want to be healed until that court
case gives them their settlement. They want to show that they've
been to all these practitioners and that nothing has helped because
they are emotionally, mentally, spiritually invested in holding
on to that illness for whatever reason. You can only hope and
pray that whatever happens, happens for the person's higher good.
You are a strong proponent of creating harmony between allopathic
and complementary medicines. How far do you think we've come and
how far do you think we have to go?
I've been very pleasantly surprised at the number of doctors who
called me after reading my first book who had an interest in the
area but never really thought it was scientific enough to study
or be believe in. My favourite was this 6 foot 5 inch beared gynecologist
who at a conference came up to me and gave me this huge hug and
said, "You're my hero." To be able to see these kinds
of responses in allopathic medicine or to see all of the doctors
at my Hospital congratulating me on a presentation on, ‘Acupuncture
and the Energetic Nature of the Body,' says there is hope out
there. What's happened in the 13 years since the book has first
come out is that we are seeing more and more studies validating
complementary and vibrational medicine approaches. There is a
whole new level of acceptance of these areas of study. Medical
Schools are now offering courses in it. The Medical School that
I went to, Wayne State in Detroit, where I was considered a little
bit far out by my classmates has for the last 8 years has had
me teaching in their complementary/alternative medicine programme
for medical students. It's come around full circle. What I was
thought to be a crack pot about in those days has now become mainstream.
having a gradual effect. I'm very pleased that my book has been
translated into 6 or 7 foreign languages already. I get calls
from Australia, China, Italy so I think it is having the gradual
effect of shifting the thought form of the planet about what forms
of healing are possible even in allopathic medicine. The biggest
thing I've learned about the nature of scientific revolutions
is that the way things change are quite simple, basically 1) someone
comes along with a good idea and 2) all the opponents die off.
All of the new people who are now schooled in what is now mainstream
theory, but considered radical 50 years ago, say ‘what's
the big hub bub about? - this is all straight forward.' They were
not born in the time of the conflict and the argument over why
these theories were preposterous at the time. The science eventually
came along because it took 50 years to validate what the pioneers
were talking about. It's basically a question of out-living your
other thing it has taught me, from a more personal perspective,
is that there really aren't any opponents or negatives. I send
unconditional love to my negative approach opponents. I just send
them unconditional love and say you go on with your business and
I'll go on with mine - disentangle me from your karma. I have
to respect their journey. Not every one is ready for your truth,
even if it is the truth. It is not necessarily their truth at
that point in their journey or spiritual evolution. They may come
to recognize it eventually. Everyone had their own time to recognize
what is an appropriate truth for them. Everyone's coming along
at their own pace. There is a reason, a purposefulness to everything.
We may not necessarily understand it.
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